Negotiating with the Russians, with Alexander Stubb

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🗓️ 16 March 2022

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

Alexander Stubb is the former prime minister, foreign minister and finance minister of Finland. Back in 2008, after the Russian invasion of Georgia, he worked on the ceasefire between Russia and Georgia, giving him a valuable perspective on much of what's going on today. He sat down with David Priess for a conversation covering his experience negotiating that ceasefire in 2008, his experienced impressions of Vladimir Putin and Sergey Lavrov, the differences between this Russian action in Ukraine now and its previous aggressions, and what it all means for European unity and for Finland's place in NATO.

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0:25.6	no bull and the aftermath.
0:31.2	Right laptop, I'm ready to finish this thesis.
0:34.2	What thesis?
0:35.2	The one I've spent two years working on.
0:36.7	Don't have it.
0:37.7	What's the last version you saved?
0:39.4	Got final version, final final version, and no, I'm actually serious now.
0:42.9	This is the last version I will never save another version I promise, version two.
0:46.7	Surely that one?
0:47.7	No.
0:48.7	Why?
0:49.7	It's corrupted.
0:50.7	I'm not going to say that.
1:08.8	And I say this, I guess more is an academic than as a form of politician.
1:14.2	A NATO application in the Finnish case is not a question of if, but it's a question of
1:21.9	when.
1:23.2	And if you ask me when I say it's not a question of days, it's not a question of weeks, it's
1:29.6	not a question of years, it's a question of months.
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