Need to Know: The Debate Democrats Need to be Having on US-Israel Policy

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Chris Cotnoir

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🗓️ 24 December 2025

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Public perception of the US-Israel relationship has swung wildly in recent years. With a growing number of Americans more critical of the Israeli government than ever, it’s high time for Democrats to have an open and honest debate about the future of US policy in the region. Amb. Daniel Shapiro joins David Rothkopf to break down this thorny issue and what difficult choices lie ahead. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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1:18.8	Hello, welcome to Need to Know. I'm David Rothkopf, and this week is every week we are joined
1:24.3	by someone in the news. Somebody has got a perspective we think you need to hear.
1:29.3	And this week, it is Ambassador Daniel Shapiro, used to be the U.S. ambassador to Israel,
1:36.1	and he had an article in the Atlantic entitled, Democrats Sound Like They're in Doha. My fellow liberals are wrong about Israel. And as a
1:48.5	liberal, I thought, I take this personally. I will have a discussion with Dan about this. Welcome,
1:55.3	Dan. How are you? Thanks, David. Good to be with you. Appreciate it. So I think the best thing to do, rather than my recapitulating your article, is for you to
2:07.5	perhaps summarize what the core points in it are.
2:13.8	Sure. Thank you. Well, you know, there's obviously a lot of debate these days about what the U.S. relationship with Israel should be. It's happening in both parties. And definitely what had been, I think, for many years, longstanding pillars of that relationship to sense that this is a strategic
2:35.0	partnership that serves U.S. interests, the sense that there's both a moral and a strategic
2:40.7	element to U.S. support for Israel, its ability to defend itself, given the threats it faces,
2:48.9	the benefits that flow to the U.S. to have a partner like that in a challenging region,
2:54.0	are definitely being challenged. And it's always legitimate to challenge longstanding ideas and policy.
3:03.9	And then a lot has, of course, happened over recent years, particularly after the Hamas terrorist
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