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For The Love With Jen Hatmaker Podcast

Nedra Glover Tawwab: The Wake-Up We Need About Love, Boundaries, and The Balancing Act Behind Healthy Relationships

For The Love With Jen Hatmaker Podcast

Jen Hatmaker

Relationships, Society & Culture

4.66.4K Ratings

🗓️ 28 January 2026

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

Description:Many of us were taught that strength looks like independence. Don’t need too much. Don’t ask for help. Don’t lean on others. And then—somewhere along the way—we find ourselves lonely, exhausted, or quietly resentful, wondering why connection feels so hard and so heavy at the same time. We want closeness, but we’re afraid of needing too much. We want support, but we don’t know how to ask for it without losing ourselves.   Today’s guest is someone who has helped millions of people name that tension—and find a gentler, healthier way forward. Nedra Glover Tawwab is a licensed therapist, relationship expert, and New York Times bestselling author of Set Boundaries, Find Peace and Drama Free. With more than fifteen years of clinical experience, she has become one of the most trusted voices in modern mental health, helping people navigate boundaries, attachment, emotional health, and sustainable connection in real, everyday life.   Nedra ‘s work consistently meets people with clarity, compassion, and deep respect for how hard relationships can be. Her new book, The Balancing Act, invites us to rethink what healthy connection actually looks like—not as hyper-independence or over-functioning, but as learning how to depend on one another without disappearing in the process.   In this conversation, we talk about:  - The major attachment styles and how they quietly shape our relationships- Why so many of us confuse independence with emotional health - The dependency spectrum—and how to recognize where we’re over- or under-functioning - When closeness crosses into enmeshment, and how to find your way back - Gentle, practical first steps toward healthy dependency and asking for help We honestly could not think of a better person to help us wake up in the area of mental health. This conversation is tender, honest, and deeply freeing—and it offers language for places you may have felt stuck, tired, or alone for a long time. You are not broken. You are learning how to connect.   Thought-provoking Quotes:  ★ “You can be conflict-avoidant and peace-positive.” – Nedra Tawwab ★ “We have to allow people to exist as they are. And sometimes that's not in the same way as we exist.” – Nedra Tawwab ★ “The connection you’re seeking is on the other side of your discomfort.” – Nedra Tawwab Resources Mentioned in This Episode:  ➢ The Balancing Act: Creating Healthy Dependency and Connection Without Losing Yourself by Nedra Tawwab – https://amzn.to/3Z77GEC ➢ Set Boundaries, Find Peace: A Guide to Reclaiming Yourself by Nedra Tawwab - https://amzn.to/49q8zg8 ➢ Drama Free: A Guide to Managing Unhealthy Family Relationships by Nedra Tawwab - https://amzn.to/4b3cSkh ➢ Nedra’s Quizzes - https://www.nedratawwab.com/quizzes Guest’s Links: Website - https://www.nedratawwab.com/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/nedratawwab/?hl=en Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/nedratawwab/ Substack - https://nedratawwab.substack.com/ Podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-need-to-hear-this-with-nedra-tawwab/id1686288228   Connect with Jen! Jen’s Website - https://jenhatmaker.com/ Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/ Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker   The For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

All right. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the show. Welcome to the podcast. Welcome to the podcast. Yes. Okay. So we feel really energized around the start of this year, around the for the Love ecosystem. We are in a series,

0:24.5

you know, we used to structure this podcast in series for six years. And so we're kind of going

0:32.5

just in a temporary way back to that format. We are, we're running a series called Wake Up Call.

0:39.7

And this is sort of an outcropping of a wake where we discussed the themes of awake

0:47.3

so much last fall.

0:49.1

And we find ourselves in the like, okay, so now what space?

0:53.9

Yeah.

0:54.0

And that's how we've sort of envisioned this

0:57.8

series, like, all right, what do we do with some of these places where we might have been sleepwalking?

1:04.2

And we have decided to wake up and face this in a new way. And so we're just, we're trying to host conversations

1:13.8

right now that, number one, help us eyes wide open, wake up to the lives we actually have,

1:20.6

not the ones we're pretending to have, not the ones we're projecting that we have,

1:25.8

but the ones that we really are sincerely living. And then facing those

1:33.5

with courage and clarity and honesty. What do we want to do in these spaces? And so today we are

1:41.4

talking to one of the favorites of this show.

1:45.3

This will be her second time on the show, the absolutely amazing Nedra Tawab, who is, I hope you follow her.

1:52.6

The first time we had her on the show, I essentially insisted that you all followed her on socials, and I hope that you have.

2:00.8

But she is a true, incredible practitioner. Okay. that you all followed her on socials, and I hope that you have.

2:07.0

But she is a true, incredible practitioner in the space of mental health.

2:21.8

Not abstractly, but her particular expertise is located in, I don't know, probably the category that affects us almost the most, I would say, which is relationships, right? Isn't that fair? We have others that matter and they're

2:27.1

also going to be in this series for sure, but this is her space. And I think most of us

2:33.0

experience the greatest amount of like pain and joy in relationships.

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