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Necessary Narcissism: Decoding Our World Leaders w/ Professor Sam Vaknin & Sarah Westall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 501

Ask Dr. Drew

Dr. Drew

Health & Fitness, News Commentary, News, Politics

4.7759 Ratings

🗓️ 30 June 2025

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

Professor Sam Vaknin, an expert on narcissistic abuse studies, unpacks how narcissism morphs into a pathological force shaping social media and politics – but a certain amount is essential for world leaders in high-stakes roles. Malignant narcissism, seen in 5% of Fortune 500 CEOs, can blend with psychopathy to create exploitative leaders. Vaknin argues narcissism is now a cultural cornerstone, amplified by social media’s attention economy. Can we harness this force for good, or is it too late? Prof. Sam Vaknin is a writer, professor of psychology, and author of Malignant Self Love: Narcissism Revisited. A former IMF consultant and editor of Global Politician, he lectures on personality disorders and proposed a theory on chronons and time asymmetry. More at https://x.com/samvaknin Sarah Westall is an investigative journalist, entrepreneur, and former business professor at Carlson School of Business. She authored the best-selling “Exposing Blackmail” and founded United for Free Speech. A systems design expert, she helped build the internet at USWEST !nterprise. More at https://x.com/sarah_westall 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/sponsors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • ACTIVE SKIN REPAIR - Repair skin faster with more of the molecule your body creates naturally! Hypochlorous (HOCl) is produced by white blood cells to support healing – and no sting. Get 20% off at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/skinrepair⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://vshredmd.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Matt, well, thank you for joining us today on this early Asked Dr. Drew.

0:06.0

We appreciate you being here.

0:07.1

We are here to accommodate Professor Sam Vaknan, who is in Macedonia presently.

0:11.4

I saw him speaking to Michael Schellenberger.

0:13.4

He is a physicist and a psychologist, and he has some very interesting observations

0:17.4

on the course of humanity from the standpoint of our personality profiles.

0:23.1

Personality pathology, which I've been railing about for a long time. We're going to get in

0:26.3

deep on that. And then Sarah Westfall is going to join us. She has been in the pursuit of the

0:31.6

truth for quite some time here. She is a best-selling author known for exposing blackmail,

0:37.1

where she uses the phrase blackmail is the currency of the powerful.

0:41.1

And she has been right in her fearless reporting to expose many distortions that we've been dealing with for the last several years.

0:49.8

You can follow her on Sarah underscore Westall.

0:53.1

I beg your pardon, West and all, and Sam Vakton

0:55.9

is Sam Vakin on X, V-A-K-N-I-N. We'll be right back with Sam after this.

1:02.7

Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre.

1:07.1

The psychopaths start this right. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction.

1:13.0

Fentanyl and heroin.

1:14.2

Ridiculous.

1:15.2

I'm a doctor for a f***ic.

1:16.5

I'm a doctor for a f***er.

1:16.6

Say, where the hell you think I learned that?

1:18.5

I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people.

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