In order to become extraordinary, it's not just being extraordinary in ordinary conditions.

You have to be extraordinary in extraordinarily difficult conditions.

So what gets you there?

And it's these traits that define people that allow them to, in my opinion, thrive under these very difficult conditions.

Hey, great to have you back for another episode of the Craig Rochelle Leadership

podcast where our whole team, you can't see them.

They're behind the scenes, but our mission is to help you become a leader that people

love to follow.

Today, I'm going to get ridiculously open.

I have with me both the co-author of my new book,

Heal Your Hurting Mind, Dr. Wayne Chappelle, but not only is he the co-author of the book, but he's also

the person who counseled me through a difficult time in my life. He's worked with top government

military officials. He works with Olympic athletes. He is one of the

brains behind the Oklahoma City Thunder. He works with top pastors and he works with top business

leaders around. He has a brilliant mind. And you're going to see why today I'm welcoming

Dr. Wayne Chappelle. Dr. Chappelle, welcome to the Greg Groschelle Leadership Podcast.

Thank you. So just so our community will know and they can get to know you, I want them to get to know you. I affectionately nicknamed you Dr. C. Is it sticking? Yes, it is sticking. Good. So this is Dr. C. Glad to have you on. And you are not only the person I called to help me kind of as a someone say an executive coach, a counselor,

psychologist, but you are a fascinating person, hard to introduce. I want to tell our community

a little bit about you and you can fill in the blanks, correct me when I'm wrong. Okay,

we'll do. So you have helped top government military officials, both personally, professionally, and have been the strategic mind behind a lot of important stuff nationally.

That's exactly right. Yes.

You work with top Olympic athletes.

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