Hello, welcome to the Game 3 podcast.

I'm your host Sam Vassini.

We're presented by The Athletic.

I'm still getting used to saying that.

I feel like I've for five years been talking about the place that used to help me out with the podcast.

And I'm still getting used to that the athletic slogan in

connection with this show. But today on the show, I've got a really great guest. I'm really excited.

Spencer Perlman over, you can find his work over at the Steppian. He's also a former draft

consultant for the Phoenix Suns. He also consults now for Seth Cohen's sports agency.

They recently signed Isaiah Todd, recently signed Desmond Bain.

So Spencer has a real wealth of knowledge, and I think that if you go and read his work at the Steppian,

it really is very detailed and very good.

So I wanted to have them on the podcast just to kind of have some fun and bounce off of guys because, A, as I've told Spencer before, I am a fan of his work, and I think he does a really great job.

And B, him and I got into a conversation about Killeen Hayes and Obie Toppin and a lot of different stuff on Twitter after my mock draft came out on

Tuesday. And I just thought it would be great to have them on the podcast and be able to talk

through a lot of that stuff. So Spencer, how are you doing, man? I'm good. Thank you for having me.

It's nice after listening to you actually being on the podcast. Yeah, it's great. I mean, like I've told you before, like privately,

like I'm a, I'm a fan of your work. I'm glad that I'm finally getting a chance to have you on

so that we can talk about some of the stuff because I do think that you do some of the most

detailed work on the internet and you can really dig into the intricacies of prospects similarly in a way to our friend,

Cole's wicker.

That's very high praise.

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