Welcome to the mismatch, I'm Chris Vernon,

and Jordan meets he does every week from The Ringer.com is Dave Jacoby.

Jacoby.

So, Berno, we shot the first episode of Game Over with Max and Rich Paul, and it went swimmingly.

But one of the things that was discussed was, do you care about the NBA Cup?

And I do. I do. I do care. I do care. You taught me. I care if they care and they care. That's why. The stakes

have mattered to the players. And as I always say, the stakes have mattered. Yeah, the money

matters to them. The money. Yes. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I don't think they, no, I don't think they are. They don't think they care about the championship or the banner. No, and I don't think there's going to be like 10 years later, they're welcoming back the cup team to whoever went. But I do think. 50th anniversary of the Milwaukee Bucks NBA Cup Championship.

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But I do think that money matters and I do think that the competition, the fact that you are

standalone with everyone watching you on national television with two games on Tuesday night

and two games on Wednesday night.

You know, as well as I do, that we don't have,

it used to be really like the Thursday night games

would be the only ones that you'd feel like

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