Nazis in Egypt
Witness History
BBC
4.5 • 1.6K Ratings
🗓️ 20 August 2024
⏱️ 10 minutes
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Summary
After World War Two, Egypt’s government recruited thousands of Nazis and their collaborators to bolster the country’s defence and security.
This was part of Egyptian President Nasser’s efforts to modernise the country and present himself as the leader of the Arab world in its conflict with Israel.
Johann Von Leers was one of Adolf Hitler’s Nazi propagandists. Nasser’s government recruited him in 1956 to lead Egypt’s antisemitic propaganda machine.
Frank Gelli was a member of a far-right group in Italy at the time. He was sent to meet Von Leers in Cairo in 1964. He tells Ben Henderson about their conversation.
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| 0:25.0 | The long history of ignorance from Confucius to Kianon |
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| 0:33.0 | Hello and |
| 0:39.0 | Hello and welcome to Witness History from the BBC World Service with me Ben Henderson. |
| 0:45.0 | First a warning. This program includes an account of anti-Semitic views. |
| 0:51.0 | Today I'm taking you back to Cairo after the Second World War |
| 0:56.3 | when Egypt's government recruited thousands of Nazis and their collaborators to bolster the country's defense and security. |
| 1:06.0 | Frank Gellie, a young Italian man, came face to face with one of those Nazis in 1964. |
| 1:13.0 | So what I did, I press the button |
| 1:19.0 | and after a while someone came to the door. |
| 1:23.5 | It was someone who looked like wearing a pajamas. |
| 1:26.4 | I said, excuse me, sorry, I got a letter for Dr. Fonliers and he looked tense and suspicious. |
| 1:36.4 | Joanne von Leres was one of Adolf Hitler's Nazi propagandists. |
| 1:41.4 | It looked at the letter and looked at the name and I said this is from my teacher |
| 1:49.3 | you're disabled, I saw his face bright and up sort of coming and it was ushered in up to come in and it was ushered in. |
| 1:59.0 | The meeting with Von Leres came about thanks to the teacher Frank referred to, Julius Evela. |
| 2:05.0 | He was a far-right Italian philosopher, and a young Frank was drawn to his ideas. |
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