Welcome to the intersection of faith and culture is The Wall Builders Show, taken on the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical and constitutional perspective.

Rick Green here with David Barton and Tim Barton. You can learn more at our websites, wallbuilders.com and wallbuilders.

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everything else. Walbuilders.com and wallbuilders. Dot show. Just imagine being able to equip and prepare

the next generation to be like the Navy Seals of Civics. Literally the tip of the spear,

the ones that can go out there and lead in every area of the culture with a good, strong biblical foundation and the communication skills, the apologetics, everything they need to be an influencer in every one of those areas. Chris Dunham is with us. He's the dean of the Patriot Institute. Been a great friend to Wall Builders and Patriot Academy for years and years, and we teamed up last year to start this Patriot Institute. Chris, thanks for coming on and sharing with us today. A joy to be with you guys. Can't wait to see what the good Lord unfolds. Well, we got to experience the first institute graduation this summer and hear from those young people and how their lives have been changed, not a dry eye in the room.

That was really, really special. And we're about to head into a new season of it. So we thought we'd talk a little bit about what we're doing at the Patriot Academy campus, what the Institute's all about. Of course, we've been doing Patriot Academy for 25 years. David and Cheryl helped us start that all those years ago.

And we always had them for one week at a time.

And we kept saying, oh, if we had them for longer than a week. And now we finally get to do that a year at a time. And of course, Tim, you have been working with youth for a long time. And you've been a big part of Tim Brooks's Leaders Academy and High Point Up in Arkansas, so you know how important it is to have

that time with them where you can really go a little deeper than we've been able to do in the

past with just one week, but actually get them grounded in worldview. There's no doubt about it.

It's one of the most impactful things for young people to have, I'm going to say it,

and I know this like a triggering phrase,

because it's the way culture is done, but like a safe space, it used to be Christians thought,

hey, if I send my kids to youth group, that's a safe place for them to go, to not be indoctrinated,

if I send my kids to a Christian university, there were things that it used to be safe for

parent. And unfortunately, what we've seen is that for there were things that it used to be safe for parents. And

unfortunately, what we've seen is that for so many parents that are trying to help their kids

navigate the next step of their life, when the thought was always, let's send them to

college and college will prepare them for ultimately whatever God is calling and leading them

to do. And we've seen that, unfortunately, even at Christian universities, they've just gotten so off course of what the focus is. And of course, now there's people like Charlie Kirk that are pointing out that so much of college is a scam, which we completely agree with a lot of that sentiment, unless you're going to study something that it makes sense, you get a degree for if you're going to be an engineer, if you're going to be a doctor, if you're going to be a lawyer, some things that makes complete sense, go get a degree because you need to make sure if you're building a bridge, do the math correctly. Let's make sure that bridge holds. But there's certain things that a lot of degrees that don't make sense for students that make the universities a lot of

money and universities have become a business and it doesn't always help prepare students for what

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