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InsTech - insurance & innovation with Matthew Grant & Robin Merttens

Navigating uncertainty in cat risk (379)

InsTech - insurance & innovation with Matthew Grant & Robin Merttens

InsTech

Entrepreneurship, Investing, Business

4.850 Ratings

🗓️ 2 November 2025

⏱️ 20 minutes

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Summary

Catastrophe models have come a long way - but are decision-makers keeping up? In this panel from InsTech’s The future of catastrophe risk: where science meets reality, Alice Kaye (Inigo), Caroline McMullan (Verisk) and host Dickie Whitaker (Oasis LMF) confront the challenges of turning sophisticated risk models into clear, actionable decisions. Together, they explore why uncertainty is often more valuable than the average, how human biases still cloud our understanding of extreme events, and what’s needed to close the communication gap between modellers, underwriters and boards. This conversation gets real about the behavioural, structural and cultural shifts the insurance industry must make to better navigate risk in an increasingly volatile world. What you'll learn in this episode: Why point estimates often mislead decision-makers - and how scenarios can bring data to life The role of behavioural bias in catastrophe risk assessment (think hindsight, anchoring and mean reversion) How leading insurers like Inigo are integrating model outputs into daily underwriting and board-level strategy The importance of early-career training to build confidence in managing uncertainty How the interface between climate science, data science and vulnerability modelling is evolving Why pre-competitive collaboration with academia is critical for the industry's future If you like what you’re hearing, please leave us a review on whichever platform you use or contact Matthew Grant on LinkedIn. Sign up to the InsTech newsletter for a fresh view on the world every Wednesday morning. Continuing Professional Development This InsTech Podcast Episode is accredited by the Chartered Insurance Institute (CII). By listening, you can claim up to 0.5 hours towards your CPD scheme. By the end of this podcast, you should be able to meet the following Learning Objectives: Identify gaps in skills and training that hinder effective risk modelling and decision-making. Produce more informed underwriting decisions by integrating multiple views of risk. Summarise best practices for bridging the gap between research, modelling and commercial application. If your organisation is a member of InsTech and you would like to receive a quarterly summary of the CPD hours you have earned, visit the Episode 379 page of the InsTech website or email [email protected] to let us know you have listened to this podcast. To help us measure the impact of the learning, we would be grateful if you would take a minute to complete a quick feedback survey.

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0:00.0

Hello, welcome, welcome to the INSTEC podcast.

0:12.0

Zoya here.

0:13.0

A lot of exciting stuff has happened at INSTECH this week, including us officially launching

0:19.0

our Exponential Risk London 2026 brochure.

0:22.6

Do check it out if you can.

0:24.6

To celebrate, we are ramping up all our catastrophe-related content and insights.

0:29.6

As such, we are taking you back one last time to the July evening event

0:34.6

for a session that gets right to the heart of catastrophe risk,

0:38.4

how we move from models to real-world decisions.

0:41.8

It's a topic that's been around for decades, but as the models get smarter,

0:45.8

the challenges of communicating uncertainty only grow.

0:49.3

This week we are joined by Alice from Inigo, Caroline from Veris,

0:52.8

with Dickie from Oasis loss modeling framework leading

0:55.9

the conversation. It's an honest, fast-moving discussion about what happens when science, judgment,

1:02.0

and collaboration collide. This isn't like you as an individual firm can solve all of these problems by yourself, right?

1:13.2

You can solve some, but not all of them.

1:15.1

So I think this collaboration across industry with academia, you know, it has to be the future.

1:20.1

We have to do more of it.

1:24.4

This is the topic I think we don't talk about enough.

1:26.8

We're going to look at models to decisions.

1:28.9

We're going to talk about uncertainty. And I remember when 30 years ago, actually, Matthew and I were

1:33.7

working together in those days in the relatively earlier days of cat modeling, we were still

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