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The Bottom Line

Navigating the Say-Do Gap

The Bottom Line

BBC

Society & Culture, Personal Journals, Business

4.6606 Ratings

🗓️ 15 February 2024

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

It’s easy for people to say they want to buy a particular product, perhaps in the name of sustainability. But how often do individuals actually follow through with these well-meaning intentions? Academics regularly observe a difference between what consumers say they want to do and what they actually do. The gap can cause problems for businesses when they're trying to figure out how to serve their customers. Evan Davis is joined by a panel of business leaders to discuss how they bridge this divide.

Guests: Andreas Chatzidakis, professor of marketing in the centre for research into sustainability, Royal Holloway, University of London Jake Pickering, senior manager for agriculture, Waitrose Marsha Smith, deputy CEO, IKEA UK Toby Clark, vice president of insights, Mintel

Production team: Producers: Simon Tulett, and Nick Holland Researcher: Paige Neal-Holder Editor: Matt Willis Sound: Hal Haines Production co-ordinator: Rosie Strawbridge The Bottom Line is produced in partnership with The Open University.

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:05.0

Hello, welcome to the programme.

0:06.6

Now, as consumers, we believe certain things, we say things and we do things.

0:11.2

But the three are not always aligned.

0:13.6

We might say we love arty, subtitled foreign films.

0:18.3

We might even believe that's what we like.

0:20.6

But when it comes to actually

0:21.9

choosing a movie to watch on a specific evening, it's an American rom-com every time. We might say

0:28.4

we're worried about the plight of garment workers in Bangladesh, but confronted with a choice of

0:33.4

more expensive clothing and better paid workers, it may be we opt for the cheaper one.

0:39.4

It is difficult for businesses to read consumers when consumers themselves can be so muddled

0:44.9

about what they want. There was an interesting case, in fact, that of a tabloid newspaper launched

0:50.2

in 1988, probably forgotten now, it was called The Post. It was designed to be a cleaner

0:55.8

competitor to the incumbent tabloids. I think the slogan was, all the breeze without the slees.

1:02.5

Market research had apparently showed many popular tabloid readers were dissatisfied with their paper.

1:08.9

Many said they were too sensationalists, for example. Well,

1:12.4

the conclusion was, consumers didn't want sensationalism and sleaze in the tabloids. Except maybe they did.

1:19.4

The post just lasted a few weeks. Well, the gap between what we say and do is a very interesting

1:25.3

one, very hard to read consumers, extremely

1:28.7

relevant to ethical trade-offs. And I have four guests today to help us understand consumers.

1:35.1

Let us meet them. And let us start with Marsha Smith, who's Deputy Chief Executive at

1:40.1

IKEA, UK. And Marsha, what I want to know is you launch a new product at IKEA.

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