And we are live. Are we live, live? Do you want to just make sure you can hear us all coming

through loud and clear in the heady phonies? So welcome to this very strange interview. It's,

I guess, very, we'll see. Hopefully it won't be too strange. Anyway, Father Gerald Murray and

Diane Montagnar. that how I say that?

Montagna. Oh, that sounds way better than how I said it. The nice thing about being Australian is when I

screw up something and people correct me, I'm like, oh no, that's just how we say in Australia. But Montania,

well, it's lovely to have you on the show. Congratulations on your new book that just came out on Friday. Can you put a link to this in the description so people can see it at some point?

Calming the storm, navigating the crises facing the Catholic Church and society.

I guess I want to begin by saying something I set off air, and that is, whenever I address the crises in the church, there's someone, usually someone actually, a friend of mine, quite prominent,

who will email me and say, look, stick to what you're good at, stick to what the

catechism teaches, the beauty of the church, don't be wading into these waters. And that rattled

me at first. You know, I thought, well, maybe he's right. But the more I thought about it,

I thought, look, there are a lot of good people who want to become Catholic or who want to remain Catholic, but find it difficult given the scandals that are erupting out of Rome and everywhere else.

So to not address this seems to be not the right response. I presume you get this sort of objection.

Yes, we do because some people are, you know, allergic to controversy, or they say it's, or others

say it doesn't look good if you're criticizing the leadership.

But the response to that is that, you know, the Lord told us that, you know, if the world

has hated you, know, they hated me before.

In other words, there will be opposition from worldliness in, you know, if the world has hated you, know that it hated me before. In other words, there will be opposition from worldliness in, you know, outside the church, but also inside the

church. So we talk about that. And defending the faith is not something negative. It's actually

a positive duty, you know, because the faith is based on believing instead of doctrines that the Lord handed over to the

apostles. If those doctrines are being rejected, particularly by those with the role of teaching,

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