The Bible says that you that the man or woman of integrity walks

securely. If you're authentic, then you know your kids are going to be more secure.

Will they be perfect? No. And we keep thinking that there's somebody out there that might have the perfect family. I haven't found that yet.

Welcome to the Jesus Calling Podcast. Today's guest teach us about caring for our loved ones through all seasons of life.

Parenting expert Dr. Jim Burns, along with husband and wife ministry team Dave and Ann Wilson.

Up first, Jim Burns is the president of Homeward, an organization that aims to help families succeed.

As a father to three grown daughters, Jim has been through every stage of parenting.

But when his daughters reach their adult years, Jim and his wife, Kathy, realized their parenting

style needed to evolve with their changing relationship with their children. Jim took what he learned through experience and shares it through his latest book,

Doing Life with your adult children.

Well, my name is Jim Burns, and I've been married to Kathy for 44 years.

We have three daughters, so we've had no hormones or drama in our life. They're all adults now. I am the president of Homeward and Homeward has four values, strong marriages, confident parents, empowered kids and healthy leaders, and that's sort of what we write about and

what we talk about. We're the largest provider of parenting seminars in the United States, and so we keep

busy doing that, fun stuff, and that's me.

Parents who have adult children are having to kind of relearn how you parent

and that their children who are adults and themselves

are going through what I call kind of a parallel

track and you know that parallel track simply means that you know it's the first time for the adult

child to figure out how to you know relate it's also the first time for the parent. We really

had to, you know, kind of relearn that we had a new job description and that our role as a parent

had to change. I oftentimes say, you're fired. You're fired as a day-to-day parent and now your

role moves from adult child to adult to adult, and it doesn't happen in one day. I mean, I still

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