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Hi, guys.

It is your celebrity mentor, Jen Fessler, and guess what?

I am bringing back my dear friend, Jen Padantry and Ryan from Housewives of Orange County.

Let's dive back into our convo with them.

So give me a couple tips, guys, for people going through divorce or separation right now. You know, I'll give you a little bit of a nugget that I don't think anyone on the show knows

and I don't think it's made its way onto the show about Jen and I.

Jen doesn't even know what I'm going to say here.

I applaud Jen and I'll speak through my lens.

I was not faithful in my marriage and there was infidelity.

The minute Jen, this is really cool and makes me emotionalidelity the minute Jen this is a really cool and makes me emotional the

minute Jen and I um went past hi how are you nice to meet you you know what Jen did she went home

and told her husband yeah yeah there was no like we held hands first we we kissed first, we had sex first, and she got caught.

That's what you would think by watching the show.

Jen, where's the scarlet letter A?

But none of that is what happened.

Their marriage was three years failed at this point.

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