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Navigating Anxiety: Developing a Flexible Mind in the Face of Difficult Challenges. With Ross White

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Health & Fitness

4.2772 Ratings

🗓️ 7 October 2025

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

Today’s guest is Clinical Psychologist, Professor and Author Ross White. His insightful book is called “The Tree that Bends: How a Flexible Mind can help you thrive.” The Tree that Bends, a title that comes from a Tanzanian proverb, is a metaphor to illustrate how we can remain anchored, willing and empowered in the face of lifes most difficult challenges. We explore the themes of psychological flexibility including acceptance and commitment therapy, and daily practices that can help manage our emotions when navigating anxiety — many that can be so helpful for our mental health and wellbeing. I love how he talks about embracing emotions as messengers that can lead to a more fulfilling and balanced life. P.S. he gives me therapy on my own driving anxiety, post accident!

As always, we’re untangle, the podcast from Muse, the brain sensing headband that helps to transform your brain. Use promo code untangle 15 at choosemuse.com for your discount. 


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0:00.0

Welcome to Untangle. I'm Patricia Carpice. Today's guest is clinical psychologist, professor, and author, Ross White. His insightful book is called The Tree That Bends, how a flexible mind can help you thrive. The Tree That Bends, a title that comes from a Tanzanian proverb,

0:23.7

is a metaphor to illustrate how we can remain anchored, willing, and empowered in the face of

0:29.5

life's most difficult challenges. We explore the themes of psychological flexibility, including

0:35.9

acceptance and commitment therapy, and daily practices

0:39.8

that can help manage our emotions when navigating anxiety, many that can be so helpful for our

0:45.5

mental health and well-being. I love how he talks about embracing emotions as messengers that

0:51.7

can lead to a more fulfilling and balanced life.

0:55.2

As always, we're Untangle, the podcast from Muse, the brain-sensing headband,

0:59.8

that helps to transform your brain.

1:01.8

Use promo code Untangle15 at choosemuse.com for your discount.

1:06.1

Now, here's Ross.

1:09.3

Ross, welcome to Untangle.

1:10.9

It's great to have you with us today.

1:13.3

It's a pleasure to be here.

1:14.5

Thanks for the invite.

1:15.6

Yeah, straight from Ireland, a place that I am dying to go to.

1:20.2

Can't believe I haven't been there.

1:22.2

There's a welcome on the mat.

1:23.9

If that's when you do get around,

1:26.2

they call in and I'll have a cup of coffee ready and

1:29.2

waiting. Okay. I can't wait. So let's start with this question. I always ask this question.

1:34.7

What inspired you to write this book? Yeah, I have worked for many years with clients really helping

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