Hi, everyone, welcome back to Bad on Paper podcast. I'm Becca Freeman. And I'm Olivia Mentor.

And today, we are doing something that I have wanted to do for actual years. And we are talking to a very spicy book author. Today we're joined by Nevesa Allen, whose book Lights Out has been on the New York Times bestseller list for 35

weeks. And we just recorded the interview. And it's so good. I'm very excited for you to hear

our chat. Yes, I learned so much. Basically, think about this book and then think about the most

famous book you've heard of in the past year.

It's probably selling the same amount of copies.

That is how big this book is.

And I discovered so much.

Also, maybe not the safest if you have children in the car.

Just an FYI.

Yes.

Good call.

Before we get into the interview, what's your high? My high is that last week,

I finally launched the reading and writing retreat that I have been planning all of this year.

I have been thinking about it for almost two years now. I've talked about it on here a bunch.

And I did like a soft launch to my paid substack

subscribers sold out all of those spots, then basically contacted the property and was like,

can we also add this other cabin and then added more spots and then sold out those. So I didn't

really know what to expect. I was very nervous. There was like a lot on the

line for me in terms of, you know, I'd put down all the deposits and planned all this stuff and

put in so much money. And people just seemed so excited and it made me excited and I'm looking

forward to it so much. It's going to be the perfect fall few days, I think. And yeah, I'm just really proud of myself

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