Nature vs. Nurture

Invisible Choir

Reach Freaks

True Crime

4.7 • 5.5K Ratings

🗓️ 26 January 2026

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Just after midnight on June 22nd, 2019, a disturbing 911 call was made by two children, who reported that they had just been stabbed in their home. As police arrived on scene, they made two horrific discoveries. One was the dead body of 62-year-old Diane Madison, grandmother of the attacked children. The other was the fact that just six years earlier, police had been called to this same home for a completely different case… Written by Trevor Pason, Edited and Engineered by Scott Ecklein, and Executive Produced by Michael Ojibway. View full episode source list at https://www.invisiblechoir.com/listen/naturenurture Support Our Sponsors: Bilt: Start paying rent through Bilt and take advantage of your Neighborhood BenefitsTM by going to joinbilt.com/choir Quince: Refresh your wardrobe with Quince. Go to quince.com/choir for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns! Squarespace: Go to https://www.squarespace.com/choir for a free trial, and when you’re ready to launch, use offer code “CHOIR” to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain! Rocket Money: Let Rocket Money help you reach your financial goals faster by going to https://www.rocketmoney.com/invisible. Hero Bread: This year, hit your goals without giving up your favorite bready dishes. For a limited time get 10% off your order at hero.co and use code “choir” at checkout! Acorns: Visit acorns.com/choir or download the Acorns app to start saving and investing for your future today! Mint Mobile: This January, quit overspending on wireless with 50% off Unlimited premium wireless. Plans start at $15/month at mintmobile.com/choir Chime: Join the millions who are already banking fee free today by visiting chime.com/choir Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Thank you for listening to Invisible Choir.
0:08.0	This episode contains sensitive material, including graphic depictions of violence or abuse against children, which some listeners may find especially distressing or traumatic.
0:19.0	Listener discretion is advised.
0:21.3	Hey, everyone. just one additional note.
0:23.8	Any 911 calls or other audio we have obtained through public data requests has been edited
0:28.7	or reconstructed using voice actors to protect the voice, identity, and anonymity of juveniles
0:34.6	directly impacted by this case.
0:37.2	Extreme listener discretion is advised. So it was horrible to be that close, to have to breathe his air, to be in the same room with a person that is so horrible. And don't even care. He don't care. He was laughing when she gave him the death penalty. It's like, this is your life you're fighting for.
0:54.4	This is how you feel about it.
0:55.7	But, of course, it is.
0:56.5	He didn't care about the life he got rid of.
1:08.5	What leads to the creation of a monster?
1:12.0	Not a fictitious one straight out of a horror or science fiction movie,
1:16.3	but a real life human monster who commits horrific acts of sexual assault and murder.
1:23.7	Understanding what leads a person down such path of destruction is a preoccupation for professionals
1:29.5	who study the minds of serial killers and other violent offenders.
1:35.0	The environments then perpetrators grow up in as well as their family history provide ample
1:40.5	information to try and decipher if the subject in question was molded into a monster
1:47.2	or if they were simply born that way. Of course, that answer varies greatly from person to person,
1:55.7	but more often than not, those who go on to commit extreme violence also grew up experiencing it.
2:03.1	When you mix unresolved trauma with a sense of entitlement and extreme anger, coupled
2:08.5	with poor impulse control, it almost always leads to violence, violence that not only affects
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