NATO Nihilism

The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

The Dispatch

Politics, News

4.6 • 6.3K Ratings

🗓️ 2 April 2025

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Jonah Goldberg is joined by Luke Coffey, senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and Ukraine expert extraordinaire, to discuss his recent visit to the region and the state of the Ukraine-Russia war. Luke and Jonah debate where Ukrainians stand after the infamous Oval Office debacle, the cracks in the Russian army, and the indispensable value of close European alliances—which seem to mean little to MAGA world. Show Notes: —Luke's scholar page at the Hudson Institute The Remnant is a production of The Dispatch, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a non-partisan, conservative perspective. To access all of The Dispatch’s offerings—including Jonah’s G-File newsletter, regular livestreams, and other members-only content—click here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:48.3	Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention. Can you digger? Greetings and listeners. This is Jonah Goldberg, host of the Remnant podcast, brought to you by the dispatch and dispatch media.
1:04.8	Been waiting to get this guest back on here for a while. Luke Coffey is a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, and he's one of my go-to
1:15.2	guys about how to think about how the war in Ukraine is going and why it matters. Luke, welcome
1:20.6	back to the remnant. Great. It's great to be back. I always enjoy our conversation. And I think this
1:25.5	might be my third time on. So, uh, third time's char.
1:29.5	You're two away from getting the gold jacket. I'll be looking forward to that. First of all,
1:33.7	you were just in Ukraine briefly. Yeah, that's right. A couple weeks ago. Yeah. First of all,
1:39.0	how's the war going? I mean, you can take it any way you want to go. But like, how's the war going? What do you say to people when they ask you
1:44.7	what the hell is Trump doing? Yeah, well, there's a lot to unpack there, obviously. I was there.
1:50.4	My timing was fortuitous because I had traveled through the south of the country, entered from
1:57.0	Moldova to Odessa, which, you know, if you imagine a map of Ukraine, it's in sort of like the lower
2:02.7	left-hand corner, like the southwest corner of Ukraine, major port city.
2:08.2	Went to Mikhailayev, another major port city that's been closed because of the fighting,
2:13.8	visited Kersan, which another port city, but this one is, you know, just on the other side of the
2:21.5	river from the Russian positions. It was part of a huge chunk of territory that the Ukrainians
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