NATO Grows on Russia’s Borders
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4.8 • 25.5K Ratings
🗓️ 12 July 2023
⏱️ 80 minutes
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Summary
Max Fisher joins Ben to discuss the ever-weirder Prigozhin circus, the last-second drama over bringing Sweden into NATO, whether Ukraine should join, the U.S. sending controversial cluster bombs to Ukraine, a seismic shift in European politics and what it means for the future of the far-right, an American reckoning over Israel following the raid in Jenin, an attempt to deescalate China, and why Vietnam banned the new Barbie movie. Then Ben talks to Ambassador Julianne Smith, U.S. Permanent Representative to NATO, about Ukraine and Sweden’s NATO membership bid and her work in Vilnius this week.
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| 0:00.0 | I'm Ben Rhodes. |
| 0:16.0 | Ben, I'm not a big sports guy, so I'm going to heat you with a movie question instead. |
| 0:21.0 | Yes. |
| 0:22.0 | Barbie or Oppenheimer? |
| 0:24.0 | So, you know, I'm an Oppenheimer guy. |
| 0:28.0 | Who lives at a Barbie house? |
| 0:30.0 | So, something tells me that I'll be seeing Barbie probably voted. |
| 0:34.0 | You're out of vote. |
| 0:35.0 | Oppen, I'll probably be, I vote on this one, but I will get to Oppenheimer. |
| 0:38.0 | Well, you're adhering to democratic norms as always, as abnormal. |
| 0:41.0 | Well, it's more like a, it's more dictatorial than that, I think. |
| 0:44.0 | So, yeah. |
| 0:45.0 | I'm excited for Oppenheimer too. |
| 0:46.0 | I'm a little concerned by the promotion of materials, |
| 0:48.0 | a really giving the impression that director Christopher Nolan acquired and detonated a nuclear device, |
| 0:53.0 | which has concerning test band treaty implications. |
| 0:57.0 | Yeah, I mean, he is an ambitious guy. |
| 1:00.0 | That would definitely be speaking to the kind of mega-omania, |
| 1:03.0 | both filmmaking and nuclear weapons development, but I always loved the story of the making of the time bomb. |
| 1:10.0 | It's endlessly interesting no matter what lens you look at it through. |
| 1:14.0 | Yeah, I'm excited as he has lens. |
| 1:16.0 | So, some quick housekeeping. |
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