So we know morality percolates upward from biological layer into the social layer and the

intellectual layer based on play, as we discussed last time, like the evolutionary biologist laid that out.

So the circumstances, the organism faces, kind of dictate what morality it adopts.

You know, the morality becomes a tool effectively.

So if inorganic patterns can influence biological patterns, biological patterns of

play influence moral patterns, then is this describing some chain that the inorganic world can

actually influence the development of our value systems.

And where Persig talks about this in the text is when he's talking about the American,

the Native Americans.

And one line he said, he said they were, he said they are plain spoken.

They were speaking in the language of the plains.

So it was, my question is, is that how, say, the open land of the new world influenced this cultural predilection towards freedom, like the wide open plains, the spaciousness of existence,

instilling a reverence for freedom, maybe in clear-cut language, because you need very clear-cut

language when you're dealing with a wide-open space. You can't be ambiguous. You need to,

you know, give precise directional wording. And so does that then,

what I'm trying to get to is the open, wide open free living of the plains dwelling Native American,

does that then percolate into this love for freedom and plain spokenness that then becomes

the value system that intertwined itself with European values to create American values.

Okay, so you just sent like a cascade of different things there that my head is like trying to get my head around.

So there's three, there's a couple of different things here that I think we should separate

and we should go through them one by one because they're all super important.

The first one that set the domino rolling for me was when you made the observation that

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