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Hello and welcome to another of Deep State Radio's one-on-one conversations, a part of our National

Security magazine series.

With me today is Ambassador Wendy Sherman, one of America's most distinguished diplomats

and author of a book that came out this fall

called Not for the Faint of Heart.

It is a pleasure to have you here. Wendy, welcome.

Thank you.

It's great to be with you, David.

So let's talk about the book a little bit because it does connect to the news in some

direct ways and some indirect ways.

Let me start with one of the ones that may seem a little more indirect to some people, but I think

one of the things that's terrific about the book is telling the story of how you got to where you are.

And that's not just a story of, I think, some unexpected turns for you in the course of your life to being one of the

countries foremost diplomats but also a story that is typical in many respects to that of any woman who has gone into an environment

that has been traditionally dominated by men.

You were the first woman to be the under Secretary of State for political affairs. And I recall in reading part of the book, as you were being considered for that job,

there were people who, you know, accused you of being, you know, tough, which, you know, when

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