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🗓️ 31 March 2021
⏱️ 49 minutes
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Journalist Nathaniel Rich (writer-at-large, New York Times Magazine) believes we can do “great good” with nature. But how? In his brilliantly reported new book, “Second Nature”, he explores the potential of environmental innovations (7:52), the weight of living in an era of “terrible responsibility” (11:00), what a methane leak in Aliso Canyon can teach us about us (14:03), and how he found hope in a Japanese doctor studying immortal jellyfish (22:38). We also discuss the spiritual change needed to address our climate crisis (35:41), and why (better) storytelling may be the most effective way out of this mess (42:51).
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0:00.0 | Pushkin. |
0:07.0 | This is talk easy. I'm Sam Fricoso. |
0:17.0 | So welcome to the show. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, Hey everyone. Today on this special episode of the podcast I'm joined by |
0:46.7 | writer Nathaniel Rich. As you may remember, Rich joined us back in 2018 on the heels of his widely read cover story, |
0:56.1 | Losing Earth, the decade we almost stopped climate change. |
1:00.9 | You may remember that piece in the New York Times magazine where he works as a writer at large. |
1:07.0 | It was a landmark investigation into our current climate crisis, revealing some ugly realities that were in fact preventable. |
1:17.0 | Today we reconvene with Rich around his new book titled Second Nature, Scenes from a World Remade. |
1:25.0 | It's a deeply reported examination of how we live in a post-natural world, |
1:31.0 | in this expanding conversation around climate change, which I have to admit can sometimes |
1:37.1 | be too theoretical and opaque for me to process. Rich has taken a more granular approach. |
1:45.0 | Second Nature focuses on ordinary people like you and I. |
1:50.0 | People working to preserve their humanity in a world of gas leaks and wildfires and global warming. |
1:57.0 | Stories of people from Middle America to Europe, a doctor in Japan to a retired sea captain in Northern California, all of whom |
2:07.1 | burden with this lingering question. |
2:09.9 | What does it mean to live in a world of terrible responsibility? |
2:14.5 | As Rich says, the question isn't, how do we return to the world that we've lost? |
2:20.2 | It is instead, what world do we want to create in its place? |
2:25.0 | And while no podcast could possibly supply such answers, |
2:30.0 | Nathaniel and I gave it our best. |
2:32.6 | So, thank you for being here, and I hope you enjoy. Nathaniel Rich, it's been, gosh, I think it's been about two years since we last spoke on the show. |
2:58.0 | In that time you've managed to write yet another fantastic book. |
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