This program is sponsored by the Codley Foundation based in Los Angeles, California.

The Codley Foundation is dedicated to advancing science for the benefit of humanity.

I'm Alan Olga and this is Clear and Vivid, conversations about connecting and communicating.

One night I'm out running in the dark and I look up at the sky and look at the stars

and in that micro second without thinking I saw those dots of light not as stars but

as planetary systems.

So imagine when one day we look up in the sky and we see not that kind of cosmic loneliness

that extreme humility and inseg feeling of insignificance, but we see a universe replete

with life.

That's Natalie Vitalia.

Both she and her daughter Natasha are astronomers who plan on using the James Webb Space Telescope

that was launched not long ago to hunt for planets outside the solar system.

There are likely tens of billions of them just in our galaxy, but Natalie and Natasha

are not just looking for any planets.

They're looking for planets where there may be life.

This is really fun, we seldom talk to two people at once on the podcast and almost never

talk to a mother and daughter at the same time working in the same field.

It's just wonderful.

It's very rare.

Thanks for having us.

Oh I'm delighted.

Natalie, you're the mom and Natasha, you're the daughter.

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