Welcome to the Sabby Painter Podcast, the Podcast for Artists who Mean Business.

Here's your host, Antrice Wood.

Hello, it's Antrice, and welcome to another episode of the Savvy Painter podcast.

In episode 36, Mark Trujillo talked about his professor and mentor at Yale John Hull.

Well, Mark introduced John and I via email and John graciously agreed to do an interview

for the podcast. Mark thought that I would learn a lot talking with John and that we would have a lot of fun.

And he was absolutely right. So Mark, thank you so much for connecting us.

John is a narrative painter. He paints the quiet moments of the rodeo, the spectator's view of sporting events, and he will tell you all about how he started his new series of paintings on the professional wrestling circuit.

John's work can be found at Johnhole paintings.com, that's all one word,

and in public collections including the Metropolitan Museum of Art,

the Denver Art Museum, the Israel Museum,

the New Museum of Contemporary Art,

Greenville County Art Museum, the Edwin A Ulrich Museum, and the Yale University Art Gallery.

So without further ado, let's jump right in. Here's John Hall.

I know that you started out as a sports writer and you wanted to write fiction is that correct?

Yeah, that's true. That's true. I just wasn't really good at it. I was okay as a journalist, but I tend to be really didactic when I write you know and I try to explain

thing out completely and I think that's why I'm suited to painting because I'm still trying to tell the same stories I always

did about other people but you can be as did as didactic as you want to in painting and it's still

mysterious you know what I mean it's it's it's explain that. Well, you know, you can put as much detail an incident and as you want and people still don't understand. You know what I mean? It's sort of like I can describe everything about the

individual and what kind of shoes they're wearing and what the shirt is and

what they look like to me and how that made me feel and you know you're still not going to get it completely you know because your

experiences as you were talking about earlier about about being an American going

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