Narrative Laundering

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The Dispatch

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🗓️ 16 October 2020

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

How do journalists and tech platforms determine what information is verifiable online? How can news consumers determine which media outlets to trust when the line between partisan bias and disinformation becomes hazier and hazier? On today’s episode, David and Sarah are joined by Renée DiResta—a technical research manager at the Stanford Internet Observatory and a writer at Wired and the Atlantic—for a conversation about disinformation online. “Anybody with a laptop can make themselves look like a media organization, can use a variety of social media marketing techniques to grow an audience, and then can push out whatever they want to say to that audience,” DiResta warns. Where do we go from here? Tune in to learn about journalistic ethics surrounding the New York Post’s Hunter Biden story and what to expect from disinformation actors this election cycle. Show Notes: -“Emails reveal how Hunter Biden tried to cash in big on behalf of family with Chinese firm” by Emma Jo-Morris Gabriel Fonrouge in the New York Post, “The Conspiracies Are Coming From Inside the House” by Renée DiResta Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Welcome to another special Friday dispatch podcast. I'm your host Sarah Isger and we've got David French subbing in for Steve Hayes as my
0:10.4	Partner today this podcast is brought to you by the dispatch visit the dispatch.com is here a full slate of newsletters and podcasts
0:18.4	Very excited. We're joined today by Renee de Resta
0:21.9	She is the technical research manager at Stanford Internet Observatory a cross-disciplinary program of research
0:28.8	teaching and policy engagement for the study of abuse and current information technologies
0:34.3	She investigates the spread of malign narratives across social networks and assist policymakers in devising responses to the problem
0:41.4	Who better to talk to this week than Renee de Resta?
0:45.8	She also writes plenty in the Atlantic and wired you can find her stuff there
0:59.8	Oh
1:04.7	Let's dive right in joining us now Renee de Resta
1:08.4	We are thrilled to have you given this week. I just want to start off right away with
1:15.9	How you think the tech companies handled the Hunter Biden story as an expert in disinformation
1:23.1	Yeah, I mean, it's a really really challenging case and this shows us that even with policies laid down
1:31.1	So much of the implementation the the actual execution of the policy and also how the policy is communicated
1:37.4	are you know critical areas that you know could stand to be improved as we saw yesterday
1:43.0	Into why but also how
1:46.2	Policisized the implementation of the policy is so when there is a scenario for which there is a policy
1:52.9	The response by you know the the particular partisan side that feels itself, you know
2:00.7	To have been
2:02.7	Weekend in some way or impacted negatively impacted by the policy it becomes a sort of second-order story
2:08.5	Tell us what happened yesterday
2:11.9	So there was a story that the New York Post broke in which a individual obtained a laptop through sort of
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