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The Mental Healness Podcast

NARCISSIST OR AVOIDANT? How to Tell the Difference Before You Get Hurt 🛡️🧠

The Mental Healness Podcast

Lee Hammock

Mental Health, Health & Fitness

4.91.2K Ratings

🗓️ 28 February 2026

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Summary

Are they "scared" of intimacy, or are they "managing" you?It’s the question that keeps thousands of people stuck in toxic cycles. You see them pulling away, shutting down, and becoming cold—but is it because they have an Avoidant Attachment Style or is it Narcissistic Devaluation?All My Links (Coaching, Courses, Merch): https://link.me/mentalhealnessAs a self-aware narcissist, I’m breaking down the nuances that therapists often miss. I’m explaining the difference between the "Avoidant's Fear" and the "Narcissist's Control." If you treat a narcissist like an avoidant, you will end up destroyed. If you treat an avoidant like a narcissist, you’ll miss the chance for a healthy boundary.


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Transcript

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0:00.0

So you're sitting there making excuses for them, aren't you? You are, you are, you really are. You keep telling your friends and your family, oh, hey, they're just an avoided. They have an avoidant attachment style. They're just scared of how much they love me. This is why they treat me this way. They're just an avoided. Look, y'all, I'm someone that's clinically diagnosed with narcissistic person out of the disorder.

0:21.8

And I'm telling you right now, that's exactly what a narcissist wants you to think.

0:26.7

Because if you think that I'm scared, that I'm going to avoid it, you'll keep chasing after me.

0:32.0

You'll keep chasing after that narcissistic person in your life.

0:34.6

That's what we're breaking down today, though, y'all.

0:36.5

We'll break it down to

0:37.5

massive differences between narcissists and someone with an avoided attachment style. So you can

0:43.2

stop playing therapist or playing healer to someone who is actually a predator, someone who is

0:49.2

actually hurting you on purpose. Y'all welcome. Ooh. Intro fire fire intro look the little snap you got to do

0:56.8

at the uh the com at the poet poet slam poetry slam what's going on y'all hope y'all have it a

1:05.1

great great day lee hammock diagnosed narcissists um y'all we're gonna hop right into it man

1:10.2

then one of the main differences

1:11.9

between narcissists and um avoiding people is the intent right it's the intent it's safety

1:21.2

versus superiority like the avoided person like an avoided will pull away from you because they feel suffocated.

1:29.3

Like to an avoided person, to someone that has an actual avoiding attachment style, intimacy, like close intimacy, physical intimacy or emotional intimacy, not necessarily physical stuff sometimes.

1:41.3

Intimacy could feel like a threat to their safety to their internal safety

1:46.0

it's like threatening you getting close threatens me i'm scared i'm scared of the vulnerability like

1:52.6

this person isn't trying to hurt you see they're not intending to hurt you you might be hurt

1:59.4

but they're not intending to hurt you they are literally trying to breathe like they're they're not intending to hurt you you might be hurt but they're not intending to hurt you

2:01.8

they are literally trying to breathe like they're there the vulnerability is overwhelming them

2:07.1

the intimacy could be overwhelming them the relationship just in general could be overwhelming

2:11.3

them so they're trying to breathe they like they feel broken and oftentimes they feel a lot of shame after they disappear on you.

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