Hello and welcome to another of the new abnormal special bonus episodes.

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Today we have a very special guest with Nairal President Elise Hogue, who's going to talk to us about reproductive rights and feminism in a post-Trump world.

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Tell me and this is a very broad question, but I because we're in this situation that is so beyond the realm of comprehension.

What the fuck is going on?

I mean, you know, in the world in our country or with regards to women and her justice, for women.

You know, look, it's really fascinating to me. And some ways, I don't want to put a positive spin on it because the scorched earth approach that has been elevated to the highest level of the land through Trump and pants has had tremendous and incalculable damage to women across this country.

At the same time, it's so important to understand that this is who they have always been. This is who radical right has always been. This is who the anti-choice movement has always been.

And they just found someone in Trump who would say the quiet part out loud. So it has always been about control.

It has always been about targeting for women and women of color. And it has always been about like forcing women to adhere to a very narrow, purient view of where they think our own society is.

Yeah, because I grew up in the world of white feminism and I am like pretty committed to a broader view of feminism.

Because I feel like we're in this very interesting time where we're seeing just exactly how much all of these misogynistic legislations are hurting women of color and low income women.

And so I'm curious to know, I see in my own personal life an enormous disconnect between these two matters. And we see it with the pandemic. We're like living in two different Americas.

And I was wondering, like, what can we do? And what does now where I'll do? And how do we expand white feminism, you know, and end it and have real feminism?

You know, people talk about complacency. These are the abortion rights specifically, but reproductive freedom more generally. And there has never ever been complacency among communities of color.

They couldn't afford complacency, right? So when we talk about complacency, we have to talk about white women complacency and white people complacency, by the way, because I don't think that reproductive freedom and justice should only be a women's issue.

But I don't know when I came into the movement eight years ago, and I think you know, Molly, I didn't really have a background. I've always done social justice work and organizing, but I didn't have a background in repro.

I was really astonished by the number of people I talked to who were like, well, we still have row, you know, so it's totally fine. And sort of as you're saying this very removed theoretical relationship to what was actually playing out on the ground, but also to this idea of a right.

Now, you know, being generous, what I would say is that for women's struggle and you come from multi generations of feminism, I don't really honestly, I've learned a lot as I've gone, but what, you know, what we know is that advances for gender justice really stopped with row.

Right, like shortly after that, the era was defeated. And like, you know, outside of the violence against women act, which like, which inspired.

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