Hey everybody we had such a fun and interesting conversation with

Naomi Klein about her new book on fire, which makes the case for the Green New Deal, that we decided

to share with you the entire unedited conversation.

There were so many cool and interesting bits that just didn't make it into the original show, so here it is.

Enjoy. Hi Naomi it's Nick Hanauer.

Hi Naomi, it's Nick Hanauer.

Hi Nick, how are you?

I'm good, how are you?

Good.

And I'm joined by my colleague Jessen Farrell.

Thanks so much for joining us today.

It's great to have you.

We're super excited to talk to you about your new book.

But before we do that, if you don't mind, we need a slate.

So please identify yourself and your book and

plug anything else I'm Naomi Klein my new book is on fire the burning case for a green new deal.

We're thrilled to get to talk to you about it.

Our podcast is devoted to mostly economics, but I suppose one of the major themes of the podcast is that in particular

Americans brains were trained to believe that economics was a science in the way that physics is and that

is simply a description of the world when in fact mostly its stories and narratives and the degree to which we accept

those narratives defines the structure and shape of our societies and our lives.

And the importance of that dynamic is you know you see that in high

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