This is the Mother Jones Podcast.

I'm Jamila King in San Francisco.

On today's show,

on today's show,

on today's show, you'll know this big name from her decades long fight for

environmental justice and hell to fix the world. You can't talk about climate

justice within the borders of the United States.

The Mother Jones podcast interview with veteran activists and author, Naomi Klein.

The game changer of the Green New Deal is that we have our ideas ready finally.

Her new book, On Fire, the burning case for a Green New Deal, makes the case that this moment

right now might have brought together all the big things that could make climate

action happen in a big way.

You never know when those effervescent political moments will happen.

The tragedy is when those moments happen and we

don't know what we want. And for the first time in my adult life I think that

we're ready this time. How the global momentum might have finally swung behind the causes Klein has championed forever.

Stick around. Naomi Klein is the best-selling author of seven books including the shock doctrine, no logo, and this changes everything.

Naomi is known for being fearless, unafraid to link environmental crisis to capitalism, racism, colonialism. to map for the kind of wide-scale economic and ecological makeover that she's been fighting for

decades.

Mother Jones editor-in-chief Clara, sat down with Naomi Klein at the first Congregational Church of Oakland late last month in front of a live and lively audience. So Naomi I think you perfectly captured the moment of both the peril and the promise that we face right now.

But this book is also kind of looking back over a series of your writings about the climate,

and I'm wondering what you think we, those of us who have written or been activists or scientists

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