Naomi Klein on How To Stay Sane In An Increasingly Warped Online World
10% Happier with Dan Harris
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4.6 • 12.9K Ratings
🗓️ 2 October 2023
⏱️ 69 minutes
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Klein goes down the rabbit hole after learning she has a digital doppelgänger who has gone all in on conspiracies.
Naomi Klein is an award-winning journalist and New York Times bestselling author. Her most recent book is Doppelganger: A Trip into the Mirror World. She is a columnist with The Guardian. In 2018 she was named the inaugural Gloria Steinem Endowed Chair at Rutgers University and is now Honorary Professor of Media and Climate at Rutgers. In September 2021 she joined the University of British Columbia as UBC Professor of Climate Justice and co-director of the Centre for Climate Justice.
In this episode we talk about:
- Why she says conspiracy culture often gets the facts wrong but the feelings right
- How and why you should listen to people on the other side of the aisle
- The convergence of wellness culture and rightwing ideology
- The precariousness of the self
- How she learned to loosen the death grip on her ego
- And the importance of coming from a place of calm in the storm
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| 0:00.0 | It's the 10% happier podcast, I'm your host, your boy Dan Harris. |
| 0:20.0 | Hello my fellow suffering beings, I am as some of you may know very interested in how |
| 0:26.4 | to stay sane in an increasingly warped online world, which most of us really do have to get |
| 0:33.2 | entangled with, at least sometimes, how do you maintain intellectual humility in the midst of |
| 0:38.8 | what my friend Maria Popova calls a pandemic of certainty where most of us are trapped in self-graded |
| 0:45.1 | information silos. And if you do try to appear beyond your tribal encampments, how do you keep your |
| 0:51.2 | bearings? How do you know what's true? And more generally, what does it do to your psyche, to |
| 0:56.6 | your sense of self, to be constantly cultivating an online persona or brand? And what does it do to |
| 1:03.2 | our culture when we spend so much of our time interacting with other people's personas? Naomi |
| 1:09.2 | Klein is not the kind of guest we generally have on this show. She's written a bunch of best-selling, |
| 1:14.1 | very influential books, critiquing capitalism, marketing, and also taking on the climate crisis |
| 1:20.3 | with titles such as No Logo, The Shock Doctrine, and This Changes Everything. But her new book |
| 1:26.5 | is a real departure. It has elements of memoir, actually. It starts off with her noticing how |
| 1:33.3 | another Naomi, Naomi Wolf, who's also a well-known author and public intellectual for whom Naomi |
| 1:39.1 | Klein, my guest today, is often confused. The book starts off with her noticing how Naomi Wolf |
| 1:44.9 | seemed to have made some radical ideological shifts. Naomi Klein, again, our guest, |
| 1:50.4 | was initially horrified by how many people were getting angry at her for the controversial |
| 1:55.0 | stuff that other Naomi, Naomi Wolf, was saying. But then Naomi Klein got interested in the whole |
| 2:02.8 | phenomenon here about how our digital world is so rife with conspiracy theories and what all of |
| 2:08.4 | that is doing to our minds and our culture. The net result of this deep dive into what she calls a |
| 2:13.9 | rabbit hole, which is described in Naomi Klein's new book, which is called doppelganger, |
| 2:20.0 | seems to be really profound and also, and this is a bit surprising, coming. So in this conversation, |
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