Naomi Klein on Conspiracy Culture and “the Mirror World”

Deconstructed

The Intercept

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🗓️ 15 September 2023

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

Naomi Klein, author, professor, journalist, and contributing editor at The Intercept, has ventured into the far-right “mirror world,” exploring the movements and figures promoting conspiracy theories, misinformation, and its hold on large segments of society. This week on Deconstructed, we bring you a live conversation between Ryan Grim and Klein at the George Washington University Amphitheater, organized by Politics and Prose. Klein and Grim discuss Klein’s newest book, “Doppelganger: A Trip Into the Mirror World.” They discuss the labyrinthine world of conspiracy theories and how the right has effectively sowed confusion and capitalized on issues abandoned by the left.

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0:00.0	Welcome to Deconstructed, I'm Ryan Grimm.
0:05.8	On Wednesday of this week, I interviewed Naomi Klein about her new book, Doppelganger,
0:09.7	a trip into the Mirror World, which begins with Naomi following her Doppelganger other
0:14.2	Naomi that's the feminist turned Steve Bannon ally Naomi Wolf down a series of rabbit holes.
0:20.1	Describing her journey to these Shadowlands, she also looks into the mirror and asks all
0:24.6	of us to look in the mirror as well and ask what role we've played in seeding turf
0:29.4	to the right, or abandoning principles like skepticism of corporate greed and big
0:33.4	pharma, opposition to censorship and master balance and so on that have long been the domain
0:38.0	of the left.
0:39.2	By abandoning that territory, did we play a part in clearing the ground for the mirror
0:43.2	world?
0:44.2	And how can we reclaim our confidence and our voices in such disorienting times?
0:48.6	We spoke at George Washington University at an event hosted by politics and pros.
0:52.7	That independent bookstore, by the way, will also be hosting a reading for my own forthcoming
0:56.5	book, The Squad AOC in the Hope of a Political Revolution.
1:00.1	I'll be in conversation there with my breaking points colleague, Crystal Ball, on November
1:04.5	27th.
1:05.5	Now here's Naomi Klein with a brief reading from her new book, followed by our conversation.
1:11.2	Ladies and gentlemen, please join me in giving a warm and enthusiastic welcome to Naomi
1:15.1	Klein and Ryan Grimm.
1:16.3	In my defense, it was never my intent to write this book.
1:34.7	I did not have time.
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