Any listeners out there currently in their 20s? And if not, do you remember your 20s?

Full of questions and looking to the future, but also trying to stay in the present.

I'm Ruth Joe Simons, and this is the Grace Lace podcast. In today's episode, I'm talking with one of my favorite 20-somethings about all the ways young

adulthood feels like a now and not yet season of life.

If you followed me for a very long, Man Cup number one hardly needs an introduction, but

for those of you who are new, let me tell you a little bit about Caleb Simons.

Caleb is currently an engineering graduate student at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

He loves mountain biking.

He loves his brothers.

He loves adventures.

And one more fun fact about Caleb.

He edits the podcast for us, so he's already been serving you as the listener behind the scenes. But now you get to hear directly from him. So let's get to it.

I'm so excited today for you, Caleb, to be joining me on the Grace Lace podcast with Riz Joe Simons. For all of you who may not know,

Caleb is Man Cup number one, my oldest, who is 22, and I can't believe I even got you on the podcast.

This felt like the ask that you would never say yes to. So welcome to the podcast.

Thank you, thank you. Well, to be fair, we are recording this slightly late because I may or may not have forgotten that we were recording it. So very

busy life of a grad student. Here's the thing. Just for a quick context, Caleb is still our

podcast engineer. He's the one who edits

podcast. He does all the behind the scenes of the techy things that get this podcast edited and

ready to go. But I really wanted him on this conversation because throughout the season

of the now and not yet season, we are talking about different ways in which we sometimes feel like we're not exactly where we want to be.

Like it's not that we're complaining, it's not necessarily that we hate everything that's going on, but sometimes we're just in a season where we're saying, I wish I was on the other side of what is happening right now. Sometimes those situations are

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