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I'm Olly Dougmore

and this is Daily Politics from The New Statesman.

I'm joined now by Rachel and Alva.

Hello, both.

Hello.

Okay, let's talk about the big story in British politics today.

Then Nadim Zahari, ex-Torri Chancellor,

and the man responsible for rolling out the COVID vaccine.

He has defected from the

Tories to reform. Would we say, Alva, that this is the biggest name, biggest name defection

to reform yet, former Chancellor? He was Chancellor for two days before announcing that he would

resign, but would stay on. He thought Boris Johnson would resign and should resign and be staying up.

He's extraordinary.

So, but a serious political operator.

It's a bit bad time.

But still a really, a big name, definitely.

And one of the biggest defactions to have won probably up there with Nadine Dorries or Lee Anderson.

Still a big name. I mean, there is so much debate on social

media about whether this is a good move for reform or not. I think it is. You know, I think maybe,

I think maybe you could be too clever by half with these kinds of things, but, people seeing that a politician who is not white, crucially,

who they have seen before, you know, from a mainstream party saying,

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