Mythicism debate: Did St. Paul believe in a real or 'celestial' Jesus? Richard Carrier vs Jonathan McLatchie

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🗓️ 2 March 2018

⏱️ 83 minutes

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One of the leading voices in 'Jesus mythicism', Richard Carrier, joins Justin on the show. He debates his theory that the apostle Paul only believed in a 'celestial' spiritual version of Jesus, not a flesh-and-blood man. Christian apologist Jonathan McLatchie defends the mainstream view, arguing that Paul's references to Christ, as well as the book of Acts and the Gospels, all provide evidence for a real person. For Richard Carrier: https://www.richardcarrier.info/ For Jonathan McLatchie: http://apologetics-academy.org/ For Unbelievable? the Conference 2018: http://www.premier.org.uk/justask Get signed copies of Unbelievable? the book and audiobook: www.unbelievablebook.co.uk Get Unbelievable? the Conference 2017 DVD/CD & Digital Download: http://www.premier.org.uk/shop For more faith debates visit http://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable Join the conversation: Facebook and Twitter Get the MP3 Podcast of Unbelievable? Via RSS or Via Itunes

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0:00.0	Good afternoon and welcome to Unbelievably. I'm Justin Briley. This is the program that
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1:18.2	Well I'm really looking forward to today's edition of Unbelievable because we're going
1:24.3	to that big theme, Jesus Mythicism and we're talking to one of the biggest players in
1:29.2	that field Richard Carrier on the program today. He's coming on to debate did Paul believe
1:34.7	in a real or a celestial Jesus? This is going to the core of Richard Carrier's thesis
1:40.7	on why he doesn't believe Jesus was a real physical flesh and blood human being and we're
1:45.4	going to hear him explaining that in the course of today's program Richard Carrier has been
1:49.4	on the show a number of times with me before debating this and other subjects but it's good
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