Can't sight media.

Are you offended if I call it the sex church?

I'm not offended, but that reduces what it is,

which is a beautiful exploration

of how to cultivate and master your energy

and reduces it to just a very small thing.

This is Tracy Elise, the founder of the Phoenix Scottish Temple,

doing an interview with local daytime TV host, Patent Man.

Chances are you have no idea who he is,

unless you grew up in Phoenix.

He's the former star of the Wallace & Ladmo Show,

a kid's program that ran for more than 35 years.

He's kind of like a local celebrity

but when you immediately associate with your childhood,

which makes this interview seem even more bizarre and awkward.

I'm doing this with great respect

because I really love the idea of the freedom

that you're talking about,

that other churches so often suppress, okay?

But when I come to your church,

is it really a massage with a happy ending?

No, no.

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