Hi, crime junkies. I'm your host Ashley Flowers. And I'm Britt. And today's story is about two

deaths in one family, a mother and her son. And on paper, both died by suicide. But their daughter

and sister, Robin Altman, had this nagging feeling for decades that something just didn't add up. And that feeling builds when an old

friend of her brothers tells her some things that Robin has never heard before. And it leads her

on an investigation of her own. Because what if these weren't suicides at all? But murders

staged to look like suicides. And if that's true, who would want both her brother and her mother dead?

This is the story of Stephen Altman and Marianne Hayes.

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I'm In 2013, 51-year-old Robin Altman is recovering from surgery at her home in Charleston, South Carolina.

Laid up in bed and kind of going a little stir crazy, she starts poking around on Ancestry.com just to like pass the time.

And she's curious because there is a lot about her family's history that has never sat right with her.

Her brother, Stephen, took his own life unexpectedly back in 1984 when he was just 21.

And then her mom, Marianne, died by suicide 12 years later in 1996.

And both deaths just never made sense to her.

I mean, few suicides do make sense to those closest to the people who are left behind.

But little things made her suspicious that maybe one or both of them could have been murdered.

But she'd never known what to do with those suspicions.

I mean, honestly, she still didn't know what to even do now as she's poking around the internet.

Because, like, truthfully, she doesn't know what she's looking for on ancestry.com.

Yeah, I was going to say, what would be there?

Yeah, not the place that I would think to go for like the wise or the clues to a murder.

But whatever it was that pulled her there, whatever little voice was in the back of her head, it knew something.

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