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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Mysteries of the mind

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Society & Culture, News, Politics, News Commentary, Philosophy

4.610.8K Ratings

🗓️ 15 May 2023

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

What do we know — and what don't we know — about how the human mind works? Sean Illing talks with Paul Bloom, professor of psychology and author of the new book Psych: The Story of the Human Mind. In this conversation, Sean and Paul talk about some of the most interesting and confounding questions in psychology. They discuss the problematic theories of some giants in the history of the field, the way that AI might change psychology, and whether or not the discipline is any closer to understanding the nature of mental illness. Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area Guest: Paul Bloom (@paulbloomatyale), Professor of Psychology, University of Toronto; Professor Emeritus, Yale University; author References: Psych: The Story of the Human Mind by Paul Bloom (Ecco; 2023) The Replication Crisis (Psychology Today) Freud's "primal scene" is taken from his "From the History of an Infantile Neurosis" (a.k.a. the "Wolf Man" case) (1918) The Mating Mind: How Sexual Choice Shaped the Evolution of Human Nature by Geoffrey Miller (Anchor; 2001) Aspects of the Theory of Syntax by Noam Chomsky (MIT Press; 1965) On Geoffrey Hinton: "'The Godfather of A.I.' Leaves Google and Warns of Danger Ahead" by Cade Metz (New York Times; May 1) "The looming threat of AI to Hollywood, and why it should matter to you" by Alissa Wilkinson (Vox; May 2) "Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness" by David Chalmers (1995) A.I. Artificial Intelligence, dir. by Steven Spielberg (2001) "Development of the default-mode network during childhood and adolescence" by F. Fan et al. (Neuroimage; Feb. 2021) The Infant Cognition Center at Yale The National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) Enjoyed this episode? Rate The Gray Area ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. Subscribe for free. Be the first to hear the next episode of The Gray Area. Subscribe in your favorite podcast app. Support The Gray Area by making a financial contribution to Vox! bit.ly/givepodcasts This episode was made by: Producer: Erikk Geannikis Engineers: Patrick Boyd & Brandon McFarland Editorial Director, Vox Talk: A.M. Hall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1:03.0

How much control do we really have over our own minds?

1:09.0

Most of the time, it seems like we're in charge. Like when we decide how to respond to a text or what to eat for dinner tonight.

1:18.0

That's us calling the shots, right?

1:22.0

And yet, two of the most influential psychologists in the last century or so, Sigmund Freud and BF Skinner, both say that we don't have nearly as much control as we think we do.

1:35.0

For Freud, the most important parts of our own psychology are mostly inaccessible to us, locked up in the unconscious.

1:42.0

And Skinner thought that we're just reacting to external stimuli, no different than a rat in a lab.

1:50.0

So even though Freud and Skinner had very different models of the mind, you don't find a ton of freedom in either of them.

1:58.0

And even just thinking about our own experience, we can be influenced by the power of suggestion or led by unconscious biases or just duped by false memories.

2:11.0

So if we're not even fully in control of our minds, then how can we ever hope to understand ourselves?

2:22.0

I'm Sean Elling, and this is The Grey Area.

2:26.0

My guest today is Paul Blum. He's a psychology professor at the University of Toronto, and he's got a new book out called Psych, The Story of the Human Mind.

2:50.0

The book is really a compressed version of the super popular intro to psychology course that he taught at Yale for years.

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