Mysteries of Claude
Search Engine
PJ Vogt
4.8 • 5.1K Ratings
🗓️ 27 February 2026
⏱️ 50 minutes
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Summary
Anthropic hired philosophers to teach its AI to be good. In their tests, the AI blackmailed a human to keep itself alive. Writer Gideon Lewis-Kraus went inside the company to figure out what's going on with Claude, and whether anyone can actually control it.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Search Engine. I'm PJ Vote. No question too big, no question too small. This week, |
| 0:05.7 | mysteries of a chatbot. Quick note before we start today, this week's episode is almost entirely |
| 0:10.6 | about Anthropic, the AI company that makes Claw. They have advertised on our show. As with all |
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| 1:48.5 | I'm PJ Vote. |
| 1:50.8 | No question too big, no question too small. |
| 1:57.9 | I found myself feeling much stranger about AI in the past month or so. |
| 1:59.4 | I use the tools. |
| 2:00.3 | I use the tools a lot. |
| 2:03.6 | But I'm probably each company's worst nightmare as a customer, in that as soon as I hear from anybody that one model has inched ahead of another, |
| 2:07.6 | that this version of ChatGBT is beating that version of Gemini, |
| 2:11.6 | I immediately canceled my subscription and Switch. |
| 2:14.6 | For the past two months, I've mainly been using Claude, Anthropics agent. |
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