It's Friday, and this is the Ramsey Call of the Day, part of the Ramsey Network.

Jonathan is with us in College Station, Texas, Aggie Land.

Hey, Jonathan, welcome to Dave Ramsey Show.

Hey, Dave, how you doing?

Good, man. What's up?

So, I mean, I heard about you when I was growing up, but I recently looked into you.

And my wife and I are about $130,000 in debt and another $178 on a mortgage.

I'm ready to start getting debt free.

But my wife listed it like God put us here and he could take it to a trial. So what's the point of trying to get debt free? Well my wife listed it, like, God put us here, and he could take it to a word

trial, so what's the point of trying to get debt free?

Well, that's stupid.

Yeah, yeah.

Horrible theology.

That's like a farmer standing in the middle of a dirt field going, God put us here.

If he wants this corn to be planted, I guess he'll plant some corn.

Of course you've got to impact the situation.

You know, stand around and wait on God to fix something.

He's going to tell you, you get your button gear, and he'll join you in the process.

But farmers have to plant corn.

It doesn't grow because God, because the farmer just prayed and said

god's going to put corn in the ground then god sends the rain and god sends the

the wind and god sends the nutrition and the dirt but you have to put the corn in the ground

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