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I don't even know how to start talking about it. I've never felt so unprepared.

Yeah, I honestly have nothing prepared at all. It's impossible because I didn't even know

this existed, but we're talking to a woman who is husband, who's straight husband is a, I love

this term, by the way, pay for gay escort. So this is a straight man who is an escort for men,

for men that is married. Let me make sure question. What makes a person straight and what makes a

person gay? What? Because, because is it, I'm trying to word this in the right way, but it's kind

of like, you said he's a straight man, I would consider him bisexual. I see what you're saying.

Look, money talks, man. No, I understand that, but also it's the willingness to make it.

Okay, so you just got really philosophical because you're saying, no, no, I think it's a great question.

Okay, you're saying you can call yourself straight, but if you perform gay act, are you gay?

You don't have to be gay. You can be bisexual, which I, I think if you're in this line of work,

they would have to be some form of bisexual. And I really don't want to jump to conclusions. I'm

not claiming that this man is, it's just an interesting question that popped into my mind because of,

you know, what you just said, kind of like the subject title of this email is, you know, if, if you

are someone who is in a straight marriage, but you do, do, you do gay for pay escort things on the

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