My So Called Evil Plan

Imaginary Worlds

Eric Molinsky

Arts, Science Fiction, Fiction, Society & Culture

4.8 • 2.1K Ratings

🗓️ 27 November 2019

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

Villains are having a moment. They’re getting their own movies, they’re inspiring hashtags that say they’re right. And they don’t want to take over the world. They want to save it -- at a very high cost. I talk with writers and podcasters Charles Pulliam-Moore, JR Forasteros and Bruce Leslie about woke villains, and what their popularity says about our frustrations in the real world. Part 1 of 2. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	You're listening to Imaginary Worlds, a show about how we create them and why we suspend our disbelief.
0:05.4	I'm Mark Mullenzki and this is part one of a two-part episode on villains.
0:11.4	Is it just me or is it getting crazier out there?
0:15.8	This fall, the movie that everybody was buzzing about was Joker.
0:18.8	You think men like Thomas Wayne ever think what it's like to be someone like me?
0:25.9	Is the idea that the Joker got his own movie, with the sympathetic backstory, no Batman
0:30.9	to punish him, sparked a lot of anxiety and articles about whether the Joker has become
0:36.2	a hero to toxic trolls.
0:39.0	And the movie was a huge box office hit.
0:41.7	Joaquin Phoenix might be the second actor to win an Oscar for playing the Joker after
0:46.1	Heath Ledger.
0:47.8	But I don't think the Joker is a villain that a lot of people actually sympathize with.
0:54.2	You know, I don't know anyone who didn't love Heath Ledger's performances as the Joker,
0:57.8	but I also don't know anyone who would want to be in the same room as him.
1:00.6	JR Forest Aros is a pastor and podcaster who focuses on fantasy worlds.
1:07.0	I don't know anyone that would want to be a part of the Joker gang because he's often
1:11.4	killing his gang members as he is anyone else.
1:14.2	In the Joker's Annihilist, he doesn't really have an ideology.
1:18.1	He doesn't want to take over the world.
1:19.7	He just wants to watch it burn.
1:21.8	Then again.
1:23.0	I just want to take over the world's not that interesting anymore.
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