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Dynamic Voices for a Diverse Church. This is past the mic.

Greetings and God bless. Welcome to another episode of past the mic.

Dynamic Voices for a Diverse Church. Power by the witness.

A Black Christian Collective. I am your host Tyler Burns.

You can follow me on Twitter and Instagram at BurnsClam. Please follow at your own risk.

And joining me today is not Dr. Jamar Tisby. I boxed him out for this. I wanted this interview

all to myself. I'm kidding. Jamar had a scheduling conflict. He could not make it today.

And he is going to be kicking himself because we have a special, special guest joining us today.

We have Mr. Will Jawando who is with us. He is an attorney and activist, a community leader. He's

been featured in so many different publications. He's been called by Congressman, the late great

Congressman John Lewis as the progressive leader that we need. And most famously served as a

staffer in the Obama Senate and White House. And he is the author of this book, My Seven Black

Fathers, Will Jawando. Sir, thank you so much for joining us here on past the mic.

It's great to be with you, Tyler. Thanks for having me and thanks for your ministry, man.

Really appreciate it. All of you. You know, I outside of doing this, I'm a pastor. And this year

for Father's Day, my church got me a little basket. We have my wife and I have two young children,

four-year-old daughter and a three-year-old son. And they got me a little special basket for

Father's Day. You know, the black church is so big on honoring and loving leaders. Yeah, exactly,

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