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The Vergecast

My other car is a cargo bike

The Vergecast

Vox Media Podcast Network

News, Tech News, Technology

4.44.1K Ratings

🗓️ 30 September 2025

⏱️ 70 minutes

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Summary

Sure, you could drive to the grocery store and to school. But wouldn’t you rather grab a few hundred of your friends and bike-bus everywhere? The Verge’s Andy Hawkins joins the show to tell us all about his adventures with electric cargo bikes, and why he thinks they’re the ride of the future. After that, Lauren Feiner calls in from just outside a courthouse in Virginia, where she’s watching the remedies trial in Google’s adtech monopoly case. Google already lost the case; what happens next is still anyone’s guess. Finally, David answers a question from the Vergecast Hotline (call 866-VERGE11 or email [email protected]!) about how to feel about summarizing YouTube videos with AI. The short version: you should feel a lot of things. Further reading: Why your next car should be an electric cargo bike Electric cargo bikes are rewiring cities Can Google be trusted without a break up? US v. Google redux: all the news from the ad tech trial Email us at [email protected] or call us at 866-VERGE11, we love hearing from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Vergecast, the flagship podcast of bike buses, which are, it turns out exactly

0:05.6

what you think they are. I'm a friend David Pierce, and I am sitting here doing a thing I never

0:10.2

thought I would be doing, which is updating and using the Rabbit R1. This is the truly terrible

0:16.9

AI gadget that somehow is still an ongoing concern. It's been like a year and a half now,

0:23.9

and they just put out a sort of fascinating new software update for the thing that completely

0:29.9

changes the interface. It's all touched now. It has some new ideas about how to do like

0:33.7

little apps that you can make with prompts. The thing is still bad and you shouldn't buy one, to be clear.

0:38.9

I have one that is like unopened in a drawer over here because I think someday it'll be like a

0:42.5

museum piece of weird AI.

0:45.5

But I, we're still in this phase where I don't think anybody knows anything about how

0:49.2

AI gadgets are supposed to work or even if they're going to be a thing.

0:52.8

And I confess as bad as this thing is, I genuinely admire the hustle.

0:57.9

But anyway, we are not here to talk about this delightful little orange thing.

1:01.4

We're going to do two things on today's vergecast.

1:03.4

First, we're going to talk to Andy Hawkins about his experience with electric cargo bikes

1:08.5

and basically what it means to take your car drives and turn them into

1:14.2

bike rides. He is, you will learn very passionate about this. We're going to have some fun.

1:19.0

After that, I'm going to talk to Lauren Finer about what's going on in the Google AdTech Remedies

1:23.9

Trial. Google was declared a monopoly in AdTech and now has to fight to see what's going to happen next.

1:30.6

She's been in court all week. We're going to talk about it. I'm very excited. We also have a fun question from the Vergecast hotline.

1:35.5

Lots of good stuff to get to. But first, I'm going to make some apps on this thing and tell you if it's any good.

1:41.4

This is the Vergecast. We'll be right back.

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