Please note this episode contains some emotional content, including discussion around suicide

and domestic violence. It might not be suitable for all listeners.

How'd you do it? Just blows me away. You know how to do it and you did it once. But it was

an extraordinary tragedy. What happened in the end?

Hello and thank you so much for picking how did we get here. The podcast where me,

Claudia Winkman and clinical psychologist Professor Tanya Byron, who is also a great

friend of mine, look at some of life's challenges and try to find the tools to address them.

Tanya talks to people in one-to-one sessions while I'm listening in from another room.

In the break and at the end I asked Tanya a bit about her process and we

explore the issues that are raised. This time we meet Sally, who is a single mother, has

a daughter age 14 and a son age 12. She was a paramedic for many years before starting

her own business. Sally feels she can never keep relationship going past 18 months.

She says she always finds something wrong with her partners and rejects them.

This person that I thought had really good qualities, suddenly the layers seemed to peel

away and I think, oh, there's something underlying there and I'm not comfortable with it.

What you're about to hear at the key parts of a one-time unscripted session with a real

person, we follow up with our guests after the recording, passing on links and contacts,

some of which you will find in the programme notes of this episode. Let's go and meet Sally.

Hello Sally. Thank you so much for coming in. Why are you here? I think it's probably my

inability to sustain relationships for any longer than a year, 18 months. Let's start with

you first. You've got two wonderful children. How old are they? Nearly 15 year old.

My daughter who is amazing and fearless and then my son is just 12 and he's cute and

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