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those steps, people.

Welcome to the BasketBuds edition of the Back to Back Podcast on the Athletic Podcast Network.

I'm Zach Harper, joined by cultural anthropologists of the athletic, Wazley Lambray.

We've got the host of Nerder Shiro, which you guys should check out every single week. Dave Dufour, and we're joined by Michael Lee, one of the best writers out there, one of the best dudes out there. Michael Lee, first of all, congratulations on fatherhood. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. You did it. How is it? It's number two, though.

If I don't make it... Right, right. Yeah, if I don't know for the second time, right. If I was the second time, being a, having a newborn. How is everyone doing, obviously, relatively, which we'll get to other stuff later, but just in terms of health, how is everyone doing? Everybody's healthy and fine. You know, I had a big healthy baby boys. He weighed over nine pounds and he's a... Wow. Got some size to him. So are we thinking like a stretch four, a modern day five? Like, what are we thinking here? I'm waiting to see how he turns out. It's too early to say. all I know is that I bought my older son, who's three, a little tykes, um,

you know, a hoop, you know, a little mini hoop.

Yeah.

So all he does is dunk.

And every time I try to get him to step out and like shoot from a little brother away, he refuses to do it.

He just ral and dunks.

And I'm like, man, I'm raising Ben Simmons. This next one might be, you know, Joel and B. Well, you know what? Next one stretches the floor for the older brother. That's true. It's right. Yeah. We'll figure out how to work together. It's the Jontay Porter, Michael Porter.

Yeah.

Obviously what's going on right now is, sure, basketball might come back, but that's not the story in the country.

That's not even the story in sports right now.

The protests over police brutality in the wake of, you know,

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