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Good morning everyone. Today's guests we've got, we've been called the mafia princess.

That's the journalist. It's pretty cool.

Well I took it on my own with my books. Yeah. And we'll plug the books straight away.

The mafia princess, that madread juice out in this book a week ago, read that got you on a podcast, that you wrote over 10 years ago.

Fascinating story from taking over the families business, prisons, drugs, that you got prison yourself.

But my story about the mafia, is the proper mafia, is that how you're mafia? It's not.

So you're in Gran Gata. Yeah, how do you pronounce that? In Gran Gata. That's from Southern Italy.

And Rina is basically like a family unit. Because that's what they are. They're mafia families, they're all families, they're all linked with blood.

So it's all members of family. And outsiders obviously come in, but it's mainly family members that are involved in clans.

So you go for generations, my family's for generations of that.

Mm-hmm. Before we get on to all the netting, I always go back to the start of my guests to get a bit understanding about them, where you grew up, how about all began?

Yeah. So basically I was born in Milan in 1970. My mother was, was English, she's died on foot, she went now.

So she went out late 60s to Milan to be in Orpah, met my father in 1970, I came along and within a few months I should met him. And I came along and then she started real, I should know who my father was.

So he's always picking her up in different cars. And I said, oh, my father's got a showroom, he didn't enict every car every night, a different car. To pick her up. You know, that was the crazy life she's going into.

And then she had lots of bulldozers, sister siblings, there was 12 altogether.

And so from then I stayed, we stayed till I was nine and then my mother realized that the family were getting more and more into serious crime. And she was apprehensive about it. So she thought, I want to go back to the UK.

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