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I just feel just so, so desperate for help right now. I am in my mid-30s. I've been married for 10 years,

and we have five kids together under seven.

And I thought we were doing really good with our baby steps on four, five, six.

And then I just found out that he's been just hiding some debts that I didn't know what's happening.

Oh, man.

How did you find out?

I just had a feeling something wasn't right.

And when I asked about it, he was very defensive and nope, nope, nothing. And I just had the boldness to keep pressing. And then he was like, yeah, like this is why I haven't wanted to fully share an account because my

account is always negative.

And then what did he, did he actually give you the facts afterwards? Was he honest?

Or did you have to keep pressing?

So the numbers did change a little bit.

And he did look a little scared. And I just tried to be very calm, very safe, so he would feel comfortable telling me the truth.

And I said, I need to see your account, which still hasn't happened.

So.

And I want, sorry.

Go ahead, go ahead. And I said, sorry, go ahead, go ahead.

And I said, I want you to see a counselor with me because we, like, we will figure this out and we need to stay together.

Like we have five kids, like I'm forever tight to him.

Okay, I'm going to give you some hard reality, okay?

How much, how much money does he say he owes?

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