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Dan Snow's History Hit

'My Grandfather, the Wehrmacht General in Russia'

Dan Snow's History Hit

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4.712.9K Ratings

🗓️ 15 December 2022

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

Angela Findlay was determined to find out if her grandfather, Karl von Graffen, was a Nazi and what he did on the Eastern front. An artist and speaker, Angela spent her youth feeling a constant sense of guilt and shame but couldn't figure out why. It wasn't until her 40s that she turned to her German roots and discovered that she was enmeshed in the horrors of Nazi Germany and the Second World War.


She knew her German grandfather had been a Wehrmacht general in the Second World War but never really understand what that meant. She set out on a research mission to find out what her grandfather had been involved in and what he'd known. Her journey took her across Russia to the swamps of the Volkhov Front where he’d fought in Operation Barbarossa in Hitler's war of annihilation.


Produced by Mariana Des Forges and edited by Dougal Patmore


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0:00.0

Hi everyone, welcome to Dan Snow's History.

0:04.1

Challenging episode of the pod today, as someone who has descended from a long line of colonizers,

0:10.8

generals, I'm keenly aware of what it's like to think about your ancestors in terms of

0:15.3

their involvement in things that we now consider beyond the pale, unacceptable as human rights

0:20.4

abuses, crimes.

0:22.5

And my guest today is going through that process at the moment and is very courageously

0:27.6

sharing some of her thoughts about it.

0:30.2

She is Angela Findley.

0:32.5

She is half German on her mother's side.

0:35.1

She is German and her grandfather fought as a senior general in the Second World War.

0:40.5

It's a senior, very marked commander.

0:42.2

He personally interacted with Hitler.

0:44.4

He fought on the Eastern Front, amid scenes of monstrous crimes against humanity, of

0:50.5

genocide, of terrible barbaric violence.

0:54.2

And whilst he may not have expressed anti-Semitism in his letters home, he was part of a military

0:59.9

machine responsible for genocide.

1:03.7

She knew her German grandfather had been the very marked, but had never asked too much about

1:07.8

his wartime service.

1:08.8

Well, that changed in her forties.

1:11.0

She watched the movie downfall and decided that she wanted to understand about the difference

1:15.8

if any between the Nazis and senior military commanders.

1:19.7

Was it possible to be a patriotic, professional, German, general, a soldier, was maintaining

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