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Honestly with Bari Weiss

‘My Friend’s Descent into Madness and Bloodshed’: An American Tragedy

Honestly with Bari Weiss

The Free Press

News, Society & Culture

4.67.8K Ratings

🗓️ 19 April 2023

⏱️ 97 minutes

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Summary

Jonathan Rosen has spent the last few years trying to understand the story of his closest childhood friend, Michael Laudor. Michael Laudor was, by all accounts, a genius. Maybe even a prodigy. Academically, he excelled beyond belief. Things that are hard for most young students, like reading and comprehending large volumes of material, came easily for him. His charm was infectious, and seemed to immediately attract the attention of any room he entered. As he navigated young adulthood and college, and eventually law school at Yale, one thing was clear: everyone was drawn to Michael. Then Michael did something unimaginable: he killed his fiancée. The tragedy of Michael’s story is captured in Jonathan’s new book, The Best Minds: A Story of Friendship, Madness, and the Tragedy of Good Intentions. It’s a breathtaking account of friendship, the harrowing and insidious nature of mental illness as it takes over someone’s life, and most of all, it investigates the invisible forces—cultural, political, and ideological—that shaped Michael’s terrible fortune, and America’s ongoing failure to get people like Michael the help that they so desperately need. On today’s episode, Jonathan shares this personal story of extreme tragedy. Which is also, as we discuss, an American tragedy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I'm Barry Weiss and this is honestly.

0:03.8

We don't usually associate brilliance with schizophrenia.

0:07.8

Schizophrenia with Yale lawyer.

0:10.4

Yale lawyer with murderer.

0:13.0

But all of those things are intertwined in the story of today's episode.

0:18.0

The tragic story of Michael Louder.

0:26.0

Louder went from being the most promising schizophrenic in America,

0:30.0

profiled by the New York Times, to a psycho killer,

0:34.0

killer, as the New York Post put it,

0:36.0

after he murdered his pregnant fiance,

0:39.0

Carolyn Costello.

0:40.0

Michael Louder was, by all accounts, Hello.

0:43.2

Michael Louder was, by all accounts, a genius, maybe even a prodigy.

0:47.8

Academically, he excelled beyond belief.

0:50.6

Things that are hard for most young students like reading and

0:53.6

comprehending large volumes of material came easy to him.

0:57.6

He was also charismatic and seemed to immediately absorb the

1:01.1

attention of any room he entered.

1:03.8

Everyone, it seemed, was drawn to Michael.

1:07.4

Including Jonathan Rosen, Michael's childhood best friend.

1:12.4

Jonathan has spent the last few years subsumed in Michael's story

1:16.1

writing a book called The Best Minds, a story of friendship, madness, and the

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