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Cannonball with Wesley Morris

My Evening With Michelle Obama

Cannonball with Wesley Morris

The New York Times

News Commentary, News, Arts, Society & Culture

4.79.4K Ratings

🗓️ 8 January 2026

⏱️ 84 minutes

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Summary

Last November, Wesley spent an evening with Michelle Obama to celebrate the release of “The Look,” her new book about fashion and the power of style. It’s a heavy text – weighing in at about 4.12 pounds (Wesley checked). That makes it great for coffee tables. But it also reflects the weight of what it meant to Michelle Obama, as First Lady, to be looked at. Every outfit carried meaning and significance, and she knew it. Together, Wesley and Michelle reflect on her approach to fashion from day one in the White House, her time in the East Wing, and some of her most memorable looks.

Transcript

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0:00.0

I'm Wesley Morris and this is Cannonball.

0:04.4

Happy New Year, everybody.

0:06.4

We did it.

0:07.3

We made it to 2026.

0:09.4

I should say right up top that the show is going to take a tiny, teeny little break.

0:15.5

And we'll be back very soon.

0:17.8

Don't worry.

0:19.2

In the meantime, I wanted to share this conversation that I had with you with Michelle Obama in November.

0:28.3

It was for this live event that she had celebrating the release of her book, which is called The Look.

0:35.5

It is a bestseller.

0:37.1

And it was at 6 sixth and I in Washington,

0:39.6

D.C. Great space, very intimate. I mean, she's doing stadium work for the last book. This is like

0:47.7

a club. And the book is basically about the clothes that she wore while she was first lady. It's all of the outfits and the designers and the people who did her hair and her makeup.

0:59.6

And it is her really thinking through what it meant to wear these clothes, what the country was going through at particular moments, how she understood what it meant to put on certain things

1:12.2

and be seen a certain way as the spouse of, you know, the leader of the free world, but also as a

1:20.0

woman who knew she was being looked at and evaluated and judged at every single turn. Every outfit, every, every stitch of every piece of clothing was going to be examined.

1:33.7

And she really thinks through what that experience was like.

1:39.4

So here it is this conversation that Michelle Obama and I had back in November about the look.

1:53.7

Hi, everybody.

1:57.3

That was a catwalk.

2:01.3

I was just like, just don't trip.

2:03.4

Don't fall.

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